Kamala Harris faces Donald Trump in their first Presidential Debate.
David Muir (00:00):
Tonight, the high stakes show down here in Philadelphia between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump. Their first face-to-face meeting in this presidential election. Their first face-to-face meeting ever a
Lindsay Davis (00:11):
Historic race for President Upended. Just weeks ago, president Biden withdrawing after his last debate, Donald Trump now up against a new opponent.
David Muir (00:20):
The candidates separated by the smallest of margins, essentially tied in the polls nationally and in the key battlegrounds, including right here in Pennsylvania. All still very much in play. The ABC news presidential debate starts right now.
Announcer (00:34):This is an ABC news special, the most consequential moment of this campaign, Kamala Harris.
Kamala Harris (00:40):Together we’ll charge a new way forward
Announcer (00:44):Donald Trump.
Donald Trump (00:45):We will soon be a great nation again,
Announcer (00:49):Face to face historic the ABC news presidential debate here now. David Muir and Lindsey Davis.
David Muir (01:01):
Good evening. I’m David Muir. And thank you for joining us for tonight’s ABC news, presidential debate. We wanna welcome viewers watching on A, B, C and around the world tonight. Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president.
Lindsay Davis (01:16):
And I’m Lindsay Davis. Tonight’s meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with election day now, less than two months away for Vice President Kamala Harris. This is her first debate since President Biden withdrew from the race on July 21st. Of course, that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June. Since then, this race has taken on an entirely new dynamic.
David Muir (01:42):
And that brings us to the rules of tonight’s debate. 90 minutes with two commercial breaks, no topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns. The candidates will have two minutes to answer questions. And this is the clock. That’s what they’ll be seeing. Two minutes for rebuttals and one minute for followups, clarifications, or responses. Their microphones will only be turned on when it’s their turn to speak. No pre-written notes allowed. There is no audience here tonight in this hall at the National Constitution Center. This is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met
Lindsay Davis (02:10):President Trump won the coin toss. He chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening. Vice President Harris selected the podium to the right.
David Muir (02:17):So let’s now welcome the candidates to the stage Vice President Kamala Harris and President Donald Trump.
Kamala Harris (02:30):Kamala Harris is have good debate. Nice to see you. Have
David Muir (02:33):Fun.
Kamala Harris (02:33):Thank you.
David Muir (02:35):Welcome to you both. It’s wonderful to have you. It’s an honor to have you both here tonight.
Lindsay Davis (02:39):
Good evening. We are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate.
David Muir (02:43):
So let’s get started. I wanna begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue. And that is the economy and the cost of living in this country. Vice President Harris, you and President Trump were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you off than you were four years ago When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?
Kamala Harris (03:06):
So I was raised as a middle class kid and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. ’cause here’s the thing. We know that we have a, a shortage of, of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time, so that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children．
My passion, one of them is small businesses. I was actually, my mother raised my sister and me, but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses knowing they are part of the backbone of America’s economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America’s deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump’s sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.
David Muir (05:05):President Trump, I’ll give you two minutes.
Donald Trump (05:07):
First of all, I have no sales tax. That’s an incorrect statement. She knows that, uh, we’re doing tariffs on other countries. Other countries are gonna finally, after 75 years, pay us back for all that we’ve done for the world. And the tariff will be substantial in some cases. I took in billions and billions of dollars, as you know, from China. In fact, they never took the tariff off because it was so much money. They can’t, it would totally destroy everything that they’ve set out to do. They’re taking in billions of dollars from China and other places. They’ve left the tariffs on. When I had it, I had tariffs, and yet I had no inflation. Uh, look, we’ve had a terrible economy because inflation has, which is really known as a country buster. It breaks up countries. We have inflation like very few people have ever seen before, probably the worst in our nation’s history.
We were at 21%. But that’s being generous because many things are 50, 60, 70 and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago. This has been a disaster for people for the middle class, but for every class. On top of that, we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails, from mental institutions and in insane asylums. And they’re coming in and they’re taking jobs that are occupied right now by African Americans and Hispanics and also unions. Unions are gonna be affected very soon. And you see what’s happening. You see what’s happening with towns throughout the United States. You look at Springfield, Ohio, you look at Aurora in Colorado, they are taking over the towns. They’re taking over buildings, they’re going in violently. These are the people that she and Biden led into our country, and they’re destroying our country. They’re dangerous. They’re at the highest level of criminality, and we have to get ’em out. We have to get ’em out fast. I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country. I’ll do it again. And even better.
David Muir (06:59):
We are gonna get to immigration and border security during this debate. But, uh, I would like to let Vice President Harris respond on the economy here.
Kamala Harris (07:06):
Well, I would love to. Let’s talk about what Donald Trump left us. Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. Donald Trump left us the worst public health epidemic in a century. Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War. And what we have done is clean up Donald Trump’s mess, what we have done. And what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people. But I’m gonna tell y’all on this debate tonight, you’re gonna hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances, and name calling. What you’re going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to. Again, I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together, knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us. And I pledge you to be a president for all Americans.
David Muir (08:17):President Trump will give you a minute here to respond.
Donald Trump (08:18):
Number one, I have nothing to do, as you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025, uh, that’s out there. I haven’t read it. I don’t wanna read it purposely. I’m not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas. I guess some good, some bad. But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m gonna do. Cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before. We had the greatest economy. We got hit with a pandemic. And the pandemic was not since 1917 where a hundred million people died. Has there been anything like it? We did a phenomenal with the pandemic. We handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it. We made ventilators for the entire world. We got gowns, we got masks. We did things that nobody thought possible. And people give me credit for rebuilding the military. They give me credit for a lot of things, but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic. But the only jobs they got were bounce back jobs. These were jobs bounce back and it bounced back and it went to their benefit. But I was the one that created them. They know it. And so does everybody else.
David Muir (09:31):Vice President Harris, I’ll let you respond.
Kamala Harris (09:33):
So Donald Trump has no plan for you. And when you look at his economic plan, it’s all about tax breaks for the richest people. I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy. And the best economist in our country, if not the world, have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America. What Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump’s plan would make the economy worse. Mine would strengthen the economy. What the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump’s plan would actually explode the deficit. 16 Nobel Laureates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession. You just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues. And I’d invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you.
Donald Trump (10:34):
That’s just a soundbite. They gave her that to say, look, I went to the Wharton School of Finance, and many of those professors, the top professors think my plan is a brilliant plan. It’s a great plan. It’s a plan that’s gonna bring up our, our worth, our value as a country. It’s gonna make people wanna be able to go and work and, uh, create jobs and create a lot of good solid money for our comp for our country. And just to finish off, uh, she doesn’t have a plan. She copied Biden’s plan and it’s like four sentences, like run spot, run, four sentences that are just, oh, we’ll try and lower taxes. She doesn’t have a plan. Take a look at her plan. She doesn’t have a plan.
David Muir (11:16):
Mr. President, I do wanna drill down on something you both brought up. Uh, the vice president brought up, uh, your tariffs. You responded, and let’s drill down on this because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax. Your proposal calls for tariffs, as you pointed out here on foreign imports across the board. You recently said that you might double your plan imposing tariffs up to 20% on goods coming into this country. As you know, many economists say that we tariffs at that level. Costs are then passed on to the consumer Vice President Harris has argued. It’ll mean higher prices on gas, food, clothing, medication, arguing. It costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year. Do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs?
Donald Trump (11:55):
They’re not gonna have higher prices. What’s gonna have and who’s going to have higher prices, is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years. I charge, I was the only president ever. China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars. And so were other countries. And you know, if she doesn’t like them, they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs. But those tariffs are there three and a half years now, under their administration, we are gonna take in billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars. I had no inflation. Virtually no inflation. They had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I’ve never seen a worse period of time. People can’t go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else. These, the people of our country are absolutely dying with what they’ve done. They’ve destroyed the economy. And all you have to do is look at a poll. The polls say 80 and 85 and even 90% that the Trump economy was great, that their economy was terrible.
David Muir (12:55):
Vice President Harris, I do wanna ask for your response. And you heard what the president said there because the Biden administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place. So how do you respond?
Kamala Harris (13:04):
Well, let’s be clear that the Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit. One of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America. He invited trade wars. You wanna talk about his deal with China. What he ended up doing is under Donald Trump’s presidency, he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military. Basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century. Which means focusing on the details of what that requires, focusing on relationships with our allies, focusing on investing in American based technology so that we win the race on ai, on quantum computing, focusing on what we need to do to support America’s workforce so that we don’t end up having the on the short end of the stick in terms of workers rights. But what Donald Trump did, let’s talk about this with COVID, is he actually thanked President Xi for what he did during Covid. Look at his tweet. Thank you President Xi exclamation point when we know that Xi was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of Covid
Donald Trump (14:24):President
David Muir (14:24):Trump, I’ll let you respond.
Donald Trump (14:25):
First of all, they bought their chips from Taiwan. We hardly make chips anymore because of, uh, philosophies like they have and policies like they have. I don’t say her because she has no policy. Everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window. She’s going to my philosophy now. In fact, I was gonna send her a MAGA hat. She’s gone to my philosophy. But if she ever got elected, she’d change it. And it will be the end of our country. She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist. Her father’s a Marxist professor in economics and he taught her well. But when you look at what she’s done to our country, and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it’s I believe 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it’s a lot higher than the 21 that’s bigger than New York state pouring in. And just look at what they’re doing to our country. They’re criminals. Many of these people coming in are criminals. And that’s bad for our economy too. You know, you mentioned before, we’ll talk about immigration later. Well, bad immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy. They have, and she has destroyed our country with policy. That’s insane. Almost policy that you’d say they have to hate our country. President Trump. Thank you Lindsey. I
Lindsay Davis (15:44):
Wanna turn to the e issue of abortion. President Trump, you’ve often touted that you were able to kill Roe v Wade last year. You said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history. Then last month you said that your administration would be great for women and their reproductive rights in your home state of Florida. You surprised many, uh, with regard to your six week abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short and you said, quote, I’m gonna be voting that we need more than six weeks. But then the very next day you reversed course and said you would vote to support the six week ban. Vice President Harris says that women shouldn’t trust you on the issue of, of abortion because you’ve changed your position so many times. Therefore, why should they trust
Donald Trump (16:27):
You? Well, the reason I’m doing that vote is because the plan is, as you know, the vote is they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor’s doing an excellent job, but the governor before he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we’ll execute the baby. And that’s why I did that. Because that predominates because they’re radical. The Democrats are radical in that. And her vice presidential pick, which I think is a horrible pick by the way for our country, ’cause he is really out of it. But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says, execution after birth, it’s execution. No longer abortion because the baby is born is okay.
And that’s not okay with me, hence the vote. But what I did is something for 52 years they’ve been trying to get Roe v Wade into the states. And through the, uh, genius and, and heart and strength of six Supreme Court justices, we were able to do that. Now, I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, I believe strongly. And Ronald Reagan did also. 85% of Republicans do exceptions. Very important. But we were able to get it. And now states are voting on it. And for the first time, you’re gonna see, look, this is a, an issue that’s torn our country apart. For 52 years, every legal scholar, every democrat, every republican, liberal conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And that’s what happened, happened. Now, Ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas, the vote was somewhat liberal, much more liberal than people would’ve thought. But each individual state is voting. It’s the vote of the people now. It’s not tied up in the federal government. I did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it. And the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it. And I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
Lindsay Davis (18:34):
There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born. Madam Vice President wanna get your response to President Trump?
Kamala Harris (18:41):
Well, as I said, you’re gonna hear a bunch of lies. And that’s not actually a surprising fact. Let’s understand how we got here. Donald Trump hand selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe v. Wade. And they did exactly as he intended. And now in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide healthcare in one state. It provides prison for life. Trump abortion bans that make no exception, even for rape and incest, which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body, does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next that is immoral. And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government. And Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body.
I have talked with women around our country. You wanna talk about this is what people wanted. Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage being denied care in an emergency room because the healthcare providers are afraid they might go to jail and she’s bleeding out in a car in the parking lot. She didn’t want that. Her husband didn’t want that. A 12 or 13-year-old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to turn, they don’t want that. And I pledge to you, when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe v. Wade as President of the United States. I will proudly sign it into law. But understand if Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand in his project 2025, there would be a national abortion, a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages. I think the American people that certain freedoms in particular, the freedom to make decisions about one’s own body should not be made by the government.
Lindsay Davis (20:56):Thank you Vice President Harris. Well, there
Donald Trump (20:58):
She goes again. It’s a lie. I’m not signing a ban and there’s no reason to sign a ban because we’ve gotten what everybody wanted, Democrats, Republicans and everybody else. And every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states. And the states are voting, and it may take a little time, but for 52 years, this issue has torn our country apart and they’ve wanted it back in the States. And I did something that nobody thought was possible. The states are now voting what she says is an absolute lie. And as far as the abortion ban, no, I’m not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn’t matter because this issue has now been taken over by the States.
Lindsay Davis (21:41):
Would you veto a na national abortion ban if it came
Donald Trump (21:43):
Justice? Well, I won’t have to, because again, two things. Number one, she said she’ll go back to Congress, she’ll never get the vote. It’s impossible for her to get the vote. Uh, especially now with the 50 50 and essentially 50 50 in both Senate and the house. She’s not gonna get the vote. She can’t get the vote. She won’t even come close to it. So it’s just talk. You know what it reminds me of when they said they’re gonna get student loans, uh, terminated and it ended up being a total catastrophe, the student loans. And then her, I, I think probably her boss, if you call him a boss, he spends all his time on the beach. But look, her boss went out and said, we’ll do it again. We’ll do it a different way. He went out, got rejected again by the Supreme Court. So all these students got, uh, taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would’ve been. Part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans. They didn’t get it for free. But they were saying it’s the same way that they talked about that, that they talk about abortion.
Lindsay Davis (22:42):
But if I could just get a yes or no because you’re running mate. JD Vance has said that you would veto if it did come to your desk.
Donald Trump (22:48):
Well, I didn’t discuss it with, uh, jd. In all fairness, uh, jd uh, and I, I don’t mind if he has a certain view, but I think you would speak of me, but I really didn’t. Look, we don’t have to discuss it because she’d never be able to get it. Just like she couldn’t get student loans. They couldn’t get student loans, they didn’t even come close to getting student loans. They taunted young people and a lot of other people that had loans, they can never get this approved. So it doesn’t matter what she says about going to Congress. So wonderful, let’s go to Congress, do it. But the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government. And we did something that everybody said couldn’t be done. And now you have a vote of the people on abortion. Uh,
Lindsay Davis (23:28):Vice President Harris wanna give you your time to respond. But I do wanna ask, would you support any restrictions on a woman’s right to an abortion?
Kamala Harris (23:35):
I absolutely support reinstating the protections of Roe v. Wade. And as you rightly mentioned, nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and, and and asking for an abortion. That is not happening. It’s insulting to the women of America and understand what has been happening under Donald Trump’s abortion bans, couples who pray and, and, and, and dream of having a family are being denied. IVF treatments, what is happening in our country? Working people, working women who are working one or two jobs who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the healthcare she needs, barely can afford to do it. And what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And the people of America have not, the, the majority of Americans believe in a woman’s right to make decisions about her own body. And that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot in red and blue states, both the people of America have voted for freedom.
Lindsay Davis (24:51):Vice president.
Donald Trump (24:51):
Excuse me, I have to respond. Another lie. It’s another lie. I have been a leader on IVF with, which is fertilization. The IVFI have been a leader. In fact, when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts, I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in. I’ve been a leader on it. They know that and everybody else knows it. I have been a leader on fertilization IVF and the other thing they have not, you should ask, will she allow abortion in the eighth month, ninth month, seventh month?
Kamala Harris (25:28):Come on.
Donald Trump (25:28):Okay, would you do that? Why don’t you ask that
Kamala Harris (25:32):Question? Why don’t you answer the question? Would you, because under Ro v answer the question, would you
Donald Trump (25:36):
Veto you could, you could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month. That’s not true. And probably after birth, just look at the governor, former governor of of Virginia, the governor of Virginia said, we put the baby aside and then we determine what we wanna do with the baby President Trump. Thank you.
David Muir (25:52):
We’re gonna turn now to immigration and border security. We know it’s an issue that’s important to Republicans, democrats, voters across the board, uh, in this country. Vice President Harris, you were tasked by President Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America. We know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden administration this past June. President Biden imposed tough new asylum restrictions. We know the numbers since then have dropped significantly. But my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until six months before the election to act? And would you have done anything differently from President Biden numbness? So
Kamala Harris (26:26):
I’m the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns, drugs, and human beings. And let me say that the United States Congress, including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate, came up with border security bill, which I supported. And that bill would’ve put 1500 more border agents on the border to help those folks who are working there right now over time trying to do their job. It would have allowed us to stem the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States. I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by the surge of fentanyl in our country, that Bill would’ve put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking and guns, drugs and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill? Donald Trump got on the phone, called up some folks in Congress and said, kill the bill.
And you know why? Because he’d prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And understand this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And I’ll tell you something, he’s gonna talk about immigration a lot tonight, even when it’s not the subject that is being raised. And I’m gonna actually do something really unusual and I’m gonna invite you to attend one of Donald Trump’s rallies. ’cause it’s a really interesting thing to watch. You’ll see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you, you will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your need and your desires. And I’ll tell you, I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first. And I pledge to you that I will
David Muir (28:34):
Vice President Harris. Thank you President Trump on that point. I wanna get your response. Well, I would like to respond. Let me just ask though, why did you try to kill that bill and successfully So that would’ve put thousands of additional agents and officers on the border.
Donald Trump (28:44):
First, lemme respond as to the rallies six. She said, people start leaving. People don’t go to her rallies. There’s no reason to go. And the people that do go, she’s busing them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in a different light. So she can’t talk about that. People don’t leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. That’s because people want to take their country back. Our country is being lost. We’re a failing nation. And it happened three and a half years ago. And what, what’s going on here? You’re gonna end up in World War ii just to go into another subject, what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what’s happening to the towns all over the United States.
And a lot of towns don’t want to talk. It’s not gonna be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don’t want to talk about it because they’re so embarrassed by it in Springfield. They’re eating the dogs, the people that in they’re eating the cats, they’re eating, they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country. And it’s a shame as far as rallies are concerned, as far as the reason they go is they like what I say, they wanna bring our country back. They wanna make America great again. Very simple phrase, make America great again. She’s destroying this country. And if she becomes president, this country doesn’t have a chance of success. Not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids.
David Muir (30:16):
I just wanna clarify here. You bring up Springfield, uh, Ohio a and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. Uh, he told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community. All this well,
Donald Trump (30:30):
I’ve seen people on television, lemme just say here, this is the, the people on television said, my dog was taken and used for food. So maybe he said that. And maybe that’s a good thing to say for a city manager.
David Muir (30:40):I’m not taking this from television,
Donald Trump (30:42):But the people on television taking it from the city manager dog was eaten by the people that went
David Muir (30:46):There. Again, the Springfield city manager says there’s no evidence of that. Vice President Harris, I’ll let you respond to the rest of what you’ve heard. I think
Kamala Harris (30:52):
You talk about extreme <laugh>. Um, you know, I, this is I think one of the reasons why in this election, I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain, including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress member Liz Cheney. And if you wanna really know the inside track on who the former president is, if he didn’t make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him. His former chief of staff of four Star General has said he is contempt for the constitution of the United States. His former national security advisor has said he is dangerous and unfit, his former Secretary of Defense has said the nation, the republic would never survive another Trump term. And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed, I think the choice is clear in this election.
David Muir (32:00):
President Trump, I’ll give you a quick minute to respond
Donald Trump (32:01):
Here. Yeah. Uh, thank you. Because when I hear that, see I’m a different kind of a person. I fired most of those people, not so graciously they did bad things or bad job. I fired them. They never fired one person. They didn’t fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people whose, whose were just killed viciously and violently killed. And I got to know the parents and the family. They didn’t fire. They should have fired all those generals, all those top people because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen. So when somebody does a bad job, I fire him. And you take a guy like Esper, he was no good. I fired him. So he writes a book, another one writes a book because with me they can write books with nobody else can they? But they have done such a poor job and they never fire anybody. Look at the economy. Look how, look at the inflation. They didn’t fire any of their economists. They have the same people. That’s a good way not to have books written about you. But just to finish, I got more votes than any Republican in history by far. In fact, I got more votes than any president, sitting president in history by far.
David Muir (33:17):
Let me continue on immigration. It was what you wanted to talk about earlier. So let’s get back to your deportation, uh, uh, proposal that the vice President has reacted to as well. Uh, president Trump, you call this the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country. You say you would use the National Guard, you say if things get outta control, you’d have uh, no problem using the US military with local police. Yes. You also said you would use local police. Uh, how would you deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? I know you, you believe that number is much higher. Take us through this. What does this look like? Will authorities be going door to door in this country?
Donald Trump (33:48):
Yeah, it is much higher because of them. They allowed criminals, many, many millions of criminals. They allowed terrorists, they allowed common street criminals. They allowed people to come in, drug dealers to come into our country. And they’re now in the United States and told by their countries like Venezuela, don’t ever come back or we’re going to kill you. Do you know that crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down? You know why? Because they’ve taken their criminals off the street and they’ve given them to her to put into our country. And this will be one of the greatest mistakes in history for them to allow. And I think they probably did it ’cause they think they’re gonna get votes, but it’s not worth it because they’re, they’re destroying the fabric of our country by what they’ve done. There’s never been anything done like this at all. They’ve destroyed the fabric of our country. Millions of people let in and all over the world. Crime is down all over the world except here. Crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made. Crime in this country is through the roof. And we have a new form of crime. It’s called migrant crime. And it’s happening at levels that nobody thought possible.
David Muir (35:02):President Trump, as you know, the FBI says, overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country. But Vice President
Donald Trump (35:08):
Harris, I the FBI defrauded, they were defrauding statements. They, they didn’t include the worst cities. They didn’t include the cities with the worst crime. It was a, a fraud. Just like their number of 818,000 jobs that they said they created turned out to be a fraud. President Trump. Thank you.