Golden Skateがランビエールにインタビューをしているのですけど、
それがまた、画面からして素敵なんです
きっとランビの大大ファンが企画したにちがいない。モノトーンの画面に、お花に雰囲気たっぷりのマイクですよ。そこにソフトな優しいランビの声がひびくんです。それだけで口元がほころんでしまうって単純すぎます？
でも、でも、お時間あればぜひ。意味がわからなくても、ランビの演技がちょっとでも好きなら、お弟子さん3人（デニス・ヴァシリエフス、昌磨君、高志郎君）のだれかが好きなら、見ないと損するレベルです
といっても、ランビ本人も、インタビュアーもとても聞きやすい英語をゆったりしゃべってくれますから、英語が苦手な方にもかなり聴き取れるのじゃないかな。
ラトデニ君、昌磨君、高志郎君についてたっぷり語ってくれます。分量的にはデニス＞昌磨君＞高志郎君というかんじでしょうか。super cute(ものすごくかわいい）なんていってみたり、弟子たちに優しいだけじゃなくて、それぞれの性格をしっかりつかんでいます。
ランビのところにいっている生徒は必ずしもトップクラス、というわけではありません。
昌磨君はスイスに行く前にすでにオリンピックやWCでメダルをとっていましたので彼は例外です。ラトデニ君はスケーティングと演技はともかくとして、ジャンプに難があり続けて成績をのばしきれていませんし、昨シーズンやっとブレイクしたかと思えた高志郎君もまたもや今季は成績を落としてしまいました。
そう、必ずしも勝てる作戦やプログラムを提供するコーチではありますまい。それができなかったのはラトデニ君や高志郎君のフィギュアスケーターとしては不利な体格が主要原因に見えるとはいえ...
だけど、ランビの振り付けるプログラムって、各自の個性にぴったりのものです。生徒だから性格をよく知っていてやれるのだといえばそれまでですが、これができる振付師って案外少ない。
振付師って、各選手の個性にあわせてつくってはいる一方で、その振付師の色が濃くでるじゃないですか。常にどこかにモダンバレエ的要素があるリショーとか、パッションをかんじさせるシェイとか。
ランビのプログラムにはいわゆる芸術性要素がたっぷりあるのはたしかですよね。あらま、こうでるんだ、と新鮮な驚きと納得がいつもどこかにあります。欧州のクラシカルな積み重ねてきたアートの伝統が背骨にあるのはたしか。
同時に、今季の昌磨君プロのように実験的なものもつくれる。今季はランビ自身がふりつけたSPだけでなく、FSもランビが選んだ曲だそうです。とんでもない曲だと、賢二先生と昌磨君が唖然としたらしいですが(笑）実際にできた振り付けは、賢二先生がんばって面白いものをつくってくれました。だけど、振り付けがランビ本人でなかったことがつくづく残念。より実験的で、あのわけのわからない（笑）曲にふさわしいものができていたのじゃないかと。いずれにせよ、SP,FSともに昌磨君の狙い通り挑戦的なものになりました。
その一方で、欧州の伝統美にとどまらない要素も現役のころからありました。もっと振り幅が広くて自由度があります。たとえばあの四季の衣装などは王道クラシックとそれにふさわしい振り付けにモダンさをくわえたものですし、ポエタのように、スペインのヒターノの民族音楽フラメンコを氷上で表現してしまったり。
このモダンさというか実験性は振付家としても保っています。振付家をはじめたばかりのころに高橋大輔君に振り付けたアメリをはじめてみたときは驚きで口をあんぐりあけて見守ってしまったのをおぼえています。
一歩まちがえたらわけがわからなくしかならない実験的プロを今年、昌磨君はすべてますが、あれを昌磨君にもってきたのはすごくわかります。彼、曲はフィギュアの王道に近い曲をすべってきてますが、正統派とはほど遠いタイプですよね？体格もすべりも跳び方も。
矯正しようとしたらおそらくなにもかもが崩れてしまったり、ケガで動けないという事態になるのじゃないかな。
そういう事態は絶対に避けたいでしょう。さらには、表現にせよ、技術にせよ、ものすごく個性的で、昌磨君でしかありえないような世界を作る選手でもあるわけです。ランビのインタビュー見てみると、その独自性に満ちた世界を好んでいるとしか思えないときあります。たとえばオリンピックチャンネルが今シーズンが始まる前に行ったインタビューにはその思いがあふれているといいますか。
さらにはジャンプも、PCSもひかれてない状態です。そりゃ、矯正しようっていう気はおこらないというものかも、と妙に納得してしまったのでした。差し迫ったものでなく、さらにはやってみてプラスになる要素を感じないのかもしれません。
昌磨君以外の生徒もやはりよくみているなというのがあります。ラトデニ君のプロといい、高志郎君のプロといい。二人とも体格がフィギュア向きでないというか、ジャンプがきわめて不安定で、今季のFS。これまでと、まるでちがってたじゃないですか。だけど妙に説得力があって。高志郎君を俳優とインタビューでいってるので、なりきる能力があるのを欲理解していたからのプロでしょう。あとリズム感も評価してます。ふふふ、やっぱりそうよね！
あと、ラトデニ君のプロって外れなしと思うんですけど、ちがうでしょうか。あいにく、完成形をみた覚えがないのですけどね。ジャンプミスがない演技って見たことがないような気がします。あとSP、FSとそろったのもみたことがない。同時に、このプロ、はずしている、と思ったこともありません。少なくとも、こうしたいんだろうな、というのをひしひしかんじます。
SP、FSともにランビが振り付けていたころもありましたが、この数年はランビと誰か他の振付師、ですね。ランビに振り付けていたサロメ・ブルーナーだったときもあります。今年はシェイ＝リーンです。違う面を引き出そうということでしょう。
この興味深いインタビュー、一部だけですけど、翻訳もしてくれているページもあります。
あと、YouTubeは今、書き起こしもしてくれるのです。固有名詞をはじめ、ヘンなところはありますが、全体を理解する上ではよいかもしれません。ご参考までに書き起こし原稿もはっておきますね。
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hello everyone uh this is Judit for
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Golden Skate and I'm very happy that I'm
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here today with Stefan lambel Steph
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thank you for taking time how are you
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doing right now I'm doing good thank you
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you did for taking the time to interview
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me and um let's let's start with the
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questions perfect so you're here at the
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European championships with Dennis
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vasilia with whom you've been working
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for on for 7 and a half years how did
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you approach this event with
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him so
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it's a a long time to to to be working
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with someone and actually it has been
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wonderful to
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to work and
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to get to know Dennis he's a wonderful
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skater a wonderful person he has very
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strong values that are very close to my
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values so I think working with someone
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that you get along and
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that um you're able to connect well it's
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it's a a treat and I I really admire his
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uh ethic in works and
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um yeah it's just a pleasure to see to
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see what he's doing and um my job as a
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coach is to make him as much autonomous
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as possible and I feel he's getting
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there so it's a big pride and um yeah
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and I look forward to the next steps yes
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so Dennis said this summer already that
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these Europeans are very important for
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him in the main focus of this event how
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do you did you specifically prepare for
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that that he's at his Peak at this point
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of course uh I mean Dennis has always uh
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um uh rather slow start in the season
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and um and building up with the new
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programs is uh important for him so he
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get to enter into the character into the
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Rhythm so it's for sure important to
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build up the peak towards Europeans and
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we still have Worlds at the end of the
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season so
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um yeah I think for sure Europeans are
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super super important there is one more
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competition uh after this one so um I
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really want him to to keep the
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motivation uh to keep the passion that
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he has and
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um and to believe in we saw yesterday in
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the Paris event um work pays off and uh
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that's really what skaters and a skater
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like Dennis should should uh trust is
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that uh of of course there are a lot of
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talents in the in in figure skating but
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when you when your talent is um
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emphasized with the smart work it really
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pays off yeah and uh it will pay off
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either here or at a later Point yes
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right so what do you wish for Dennis
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like how with which feeling should leave
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the event that he is happy or with a
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certain
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satisfaction for me I would like him to
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to be able
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to to perform with a how how do I
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describe that like a free spirit M
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um with a feeling of generosity in this
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at the same time with the the Precision
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that he's looking for
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um
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and I I just want people to to be able
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to enjoy as much
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as as um as he enjoys it I mean he is a
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performer and
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uh once he lets go that's where he
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performs the best so that's what I wish
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him Dennis is a very heavy thinker so we
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also addressed this in the past that
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sometimes he overthinks too much and
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also this as this is such an important
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event how do you prepare mentally or
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like how did you approach this challenge
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that he is thinking just so much it's I
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mean we have uh of course we have a long
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history and um we are we have a an
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honest and open
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uh relationship discussion so um I think
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it's important not to be afraid to to
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discuss things and uh even when there
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are lot of thoughts um it's important to
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sort them out and and keep the
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essential so let's move on a little bit
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to your other very successful you have
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other successful students um and of
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course you had a lot of recent success
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with sha um how would you evaluate his
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season up to this
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point sha is incredible he is a
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fantastic skater I I admire his um
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determination um and also his uh working
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ethics is just
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unbelievable uh in both case Shan and
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Dennis uh and even koshiro I mean those
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those three uh men and athlet they have
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shown
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me like such a I don't know like a great
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attitude towards work towards life and
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at a young age they already um knew knew
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what they wanted and uh I remember
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myself being there and not knowing until
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I was 25 and um so it's it's beautiful
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to see how
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how determined and at the same time much
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more patient than I was back then so
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yeah they are great great athletes and
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uh and I I just see that sha has
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something magical in him um
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um the probably one of the highlight of
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this season was uh at NHK when he saw I
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was a little bit uh um how can I
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say I was a bit off before he entered on
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on on the ice like one minute before he
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entered and he just looked at at me and
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looked at the at Demi and he's just like
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why like you look you look sad or
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worried and then I I realized I need to
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like get the right state of mind so and
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then I just told him like then make me
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happy and uh as soon as he finished the
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program he just looked at me to to check
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if I was happy so just the fact that
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he's able to be so sensitive
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to so many
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things and at the same time be so
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focused and Target what he wants and
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then go for it and and be so active I
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mean it's it's unbelievable he he's out
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of this
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world sha very often brings you up in
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interviews uh like saying it kind of
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relates to what you just said like uh he
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wants to make you happy and wants to
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please you and that he's happy when you
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are happy how do you feel when you hear
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something like that I mean for me it's
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it's very important that we are happy
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but um for me what is important is that
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that he's actually doing what he wants
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to do and um that he's being uh
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also efficient it doesn't
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matter uh how happy I am what matters is
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that in the job he's efficient so that's
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my goal and I I love to see that he's
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focused that he's there and um yeah and
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not we are not machines and not
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everything works perfectly all the time
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but at least there is this sense of
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solidarity and um human Humanity which
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is which is important even in in uh High
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Level Sports where it it looks
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like um we do things that are out of
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this world but we are humans first yes
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yes and um and for me this is this
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is a priority is Health yes and the
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humanity like it's life is so short yes
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and we are just a little bit of dust for
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a small time uh on this Earth so we need
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to enjoy we need to share a moment
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together and yeah and and we need to do
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the best out of this
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moment um you work with tra now also for
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four years how would you say uh your
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relationship coach student relationship
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and communicated communication has
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evolved over this time I mean I remember
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2012 when I first saw him uh in insbrook
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skating he was so small and I was so
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high on on the on the audience St and
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and but he was so powerful his presence
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was like like a spotlight he was he was
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really bright and and shiny
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and um and then we met I was doing the
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conference uh as as the athlete role
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model for for the yog um for the ioc and
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um and meeting with him afterwards even
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though he had no idea what I was talking
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about there was some kind of telepathy
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between us and um and few months later I
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was I was teaching uh in Japan um for
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the National camps and uh and yeah there
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was there was
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something
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connecting and this is is still there
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and didn't really change or it evolved
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because uh because he understood also uh
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slowly understood a little bit more what
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I was talking about and uh and I got to
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to understand
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also how he functions and to know his
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routine to know uh what he prefers
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yes and
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um and yeah we we shared a few
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experiences that helps us to know each
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other better I just remember the moment
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when you also skated together on the ice
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it's also I mean all those experiences
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from teaching uh as a consultant for the
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Japanese Federation to the moment I was
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coaching him we had a few experiences
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like you said um skating together to the
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the Four Seasons uh was also something
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very special because uh we had to match
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uh our skating and our Rhythm and our
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patterns so it it was pretty uh unique
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that moment of practicing together for
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for that show um yeah so we had several
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experiences where where we got to know
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each other on different levels and uh
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yeah yeah how would you characterize
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your three longtime students Dennis
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shakiro in a few words like three words
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or the what adjectives come to your mind
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maybe we start with
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sha for sha I would say take your time
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peace and peace
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yeah acceleration it it's rather diverse
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but peace and acceleration MH mhm what
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about
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koshiro and koshiro is
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actor H act
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like actor
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and something with rhythm and quickness
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like he has these quick
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fibers that makes
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him quite uh
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rhythmical and uh as for Dennis
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yeah
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um something like
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Majestic and honorable is there any
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other skater or team that impressed you
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recently and
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why um I would say Gabby and Gom while
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we were touring they really brought me
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to uh uh state of emotions that uh that
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I yeah felt was was a big impact for for
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me um when they were skating to roses
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there their show number yeah um that was
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a moment that I really enjoyed on tour
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going out and watching them
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um I also really really admire Piper
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Piper and Paul for several years I think
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they've been uh
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pushing themselves Beyond
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expectations and I really like their
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research and again the way they work the
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way they put um things on the ice that
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is not something that we we expect
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um yesterday I was very impressed with
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lucrea and Mato I was actually already
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very impressed with the short program
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and really loved their attitude
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um and yeah and I mean knowing that Mato
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has been a 10
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Europeans uh it shows how patient but at
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the same time determined he is and and
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passionate about skating
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so
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um probably I can go on but I let's take
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those three there that came to your mind
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first um I heard that you in Shere Now
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teach a lot young kids like L CH young
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children uh that that's also something
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very close to your heart is that correct
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and like that you really enjoy doing
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that like the like some kind of I've
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done that since the first day and I've
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been teaching I think the best way to
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learn and to teach is actually to to
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teach the kids yes um but yeah I I just
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that there was like a new program that
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you really try to get the kids into
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skating we had this program before the
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covid and during the covid we had to
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stop uh and and we started again after
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covid so it's something that we started
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back way before back then and we just
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had those uh two three years of Co times
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where it was it was not possible to to
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have them so and they're kids from the
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valley and yeah and they're they're
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super cute I mean I still think that's
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something very remarkable that like a
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coach who's who coaches the world
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champion also really has a huge interest
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in like giving the bringing the sport to
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very young kids who probably can't even
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skate backwards or like you have to
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teach the very Basics so what makes that
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uh so special to you where you want to
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keep doing it I mean like I said for me
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it doesn't matter what level I I'm not
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looking for fame I'm not looking for
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success is something so like it's it's
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like a birthday it's your birthday and
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next day is someone else birthday so I'm
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not looking for I enjoy when it's my
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birthday uh but I'm very happy when it's
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uh someone else um but actually the work
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to be on the fields and and to work and
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to teach and to share and to see that
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maybe the message is not clear for one
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skater so then you need to make it
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clearer and even when they're very very
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young uh they they already have a
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personality they already have a
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character you already need to to observe
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and to understand uh what's going on so
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yeah it's it's a Life
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Sharing moment uh and it doesn't matter
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how how successful the skater is it's
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it's really not about that uh so you've
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been nominated as coach and
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choreographer of the year now again um
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also like it's remarkable I think to
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yeah to be on the highest level in both
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coaching and choreographing maybe uh
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second last question um what uh does it
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mean to you to be nominated by the IU
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for that position and uh what is maybe
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how do you balance coaching and
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choreographing
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I mean it's for me it's hard to to
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manage time I because I love to work and
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my motto is the more you do the more you
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do so it really
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um what what I do encourages me to do
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more because I get inspired because I
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get to see that okay I need to improve
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get better uh help fix like it really
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inspires me uh like for example this
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summer we are doing the show in champi
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and and a new project allows me to
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develop some new ideas to create to
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teach to coach so I think it's a a good
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balance skating coaching choreographing
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is right now in the moment that I am um
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it's a balance that helps me to inspire
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each uh each thing that I'm doing when I
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skate I also get to feel what I'm doing
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what I'm teaching uh and when I teach uh
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I maybe want to try something and maybe
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then when I do the run throughs with my
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skater then I I understand okay I want
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to maybe skate choreograph something
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different for next season so it really
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all comes to like belongs together I
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think it's it's
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um it really influences uh the whole
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thing
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but at the same time you really need to
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in order to function you really need to
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put the time sorry to put the time uh
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for each thing so you're able to let go
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of everything and to just enter into
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that that world that you want to create
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yeah and the like the ISU nomination
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does that mean anything to you or is it
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just like I said I'm I'm not looking for
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any Fame it's it's um for what matters
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is what the skater produce and um yes
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okay and as a to finish this interview
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what in 2024 as the year just started
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what on or off the eyes are you
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especially looking forward to or like
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just to be able to perform and skate and
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live my passion
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with with my full heart thank you so
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much it was a pleasure like always thank
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you thank you very much
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