The following post is a collection of important 'tid-bits' about the 1895 Chilean Mausers, that have been collected from this site as well as Gunboards.com.
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-Bean
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| mman92 | Re: How to age a chile? | #1 | [-] | |
Posts: 1680 (04/22/0607:39 AM) | There are no production records on Chilean Mausers(yet). The date is not marked on them. Most M1895's originally had dated stock cartouches but only 1895, 1898 and 1902 dates are observed and stocks may have been made in batches. See thread on Gunboards Mauser forum, 'Chilean 1895 survey needed', ser# will give approximate date. Jack A Mauser for me, a Mauser for you. All I want is a 1892(rifle), Spanish that is..:-) | |||
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Yes, all known Mauser rifles bearing the Ludwig Loewe name are antiques. The gun making division of the Loewe businesses was grouped together with his ammunition manufacturing businesses into DWM over a year before the date of 1898, which US firearms laws defines as the last year of the 'antique' era. DWM then bcame a wholly owned subsidiary under its own corporate identity, of the parent organization, the Loewe Group. At this point, DWM became the ordnance division, joining other units which specialized in machine tools, power generation, sewing machines, etc. The Loewe name does not appear on any Mauser rifles which were invented and/or patented during or after 1898. There are Loewe-marked rifles with stocks dated after 1898. However, that only proves that their stocks were fabricated after 1898. Regards, John Last edited by John Wall; 05-04-2009 at05:39 AM. |
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| Loewe and DWM & 1 January 1897 & Chilean Mausers In November 1896, the Board of L.Loewe and Co. decided to re-organise all its small arms, ammunition and machine tool divisions, and its cartel connections (Mauser, FN and OEWG), under the one corporate umbrella, both for purely financial reasons (to simplify the overly complicated inter-relationships between the various companies derived from 40 years of Loewe using its bankers to finance customer's purchasors of machine tools, and thus having an 'interest' (sometimes controlling) in various other 'names' in the industry; the other, less evident, but also pressing matter was to remove the 'Jewishness' of the Loewe name, which had been wrongfully involved in the so-called 'Juden-Flinte' affair ( defects in Gew88 production, which were design-induced, not manufacturer-induced, in the period 1889-1891. The re-organisation became effective 1 January 1897, and Rifles made after that date bore the DWM-Berlin address, either in full or abbreviated. There are, in Boer Mausers, an 'M1896 Loewe' and a 'M1897 DWM' marked models, otherwise Identical. So as stated above, any 'Loewe' marked rifle of any model, is ipso-facto, made before 1 January 1897; any DWM marked rifle, after 1 January 1897. Thus under US ATF 'antique' rulings ( 1898 limit) all Loewe marked rifles are Antique, and all DWMs made after 1898 (date?) are NOT antique. Only Serial Numbers and contract dates can establish if an '1897 DWM' is actually 'Antique'. (Most will be) As to Chilean M95 short rifles and carbines, The Short rifles were made in several batches, 1895 and 1902. The 1895 ones are definitely Loewe, and thus antique. The 1902 DWM ones are NOT antique (made post-1898); there are also variations in rear sights, as the first batches of M1902 Delivery SRs had the same rear sight as the M95 ( Flat, ladder with slide); later 1902 delivery models had the Carbine type rear sight (M1905 , same as Turkish, Brazilian '07 and Argy M'09)) As the stocks were machined (not subsequently Hand-Hogged out) for the M1905 type rear asight, I would surmise they were factory fitted before delivery, probably in the 1905-1908 period for this last batch of 'Small Ring' Mauser Short rifles, of which there are several versions, an Artillery/Engineer's Musketoon, and a Mounted Troops (Not Cavalry) side slung as well 'carbine'. True cavalry still used the M95 18-inch barrel carbine ( side Sling D loops for both sling and cavalry sash and hook, to use with a saddle bucket.) It is surmised that before WW I, DWM did supply Chile with some replacement barrel and sight sets, with which to upgrade M95 Short rifles to the new type sights. Upgrade SRs will have the woodwork 'hogged out' to seat the newer, longer rearsight sleeve in the stock. Chile has a discrete Mauser series of Rifles, Short Rifles and Carbines, and once one has accumulated all the basic Models, one can go wild on the variations, right up to the 1960s. Must be the Germanic nature of the Chilean Armed Forces through out its history (Very 'prussian' in outlook) which maintained everything 'just so'..although their navy did allow Ross Rifles to sneak in, in 1920, with the replacement Cruisers from Britain, which had been sequestered in 1914, along with the original Steyr M1912 Rifles, by the Royal Navy. Otherwise everything in the Chilean arsenal was 7mm Mauser until the late 1950s, when they went NATO..Even .30/06 Johnson rifles acquired for the 'Carabineros' (Militarised National Gendarmerie) in the late 1940s-early 50s were converted to 7x57 by sleeving the barrels. Hotchkiss, Colt and Vickers Guns, Nambu Chilean M1920s, Madsen LMGs and Cz Vz26 LMGs were all delivered in 7x57 cartridge chambering. Regards, Doc AV AV Ballistics. | |||
| Carl Gustav | Chilean 95 antique status | Lead | [-] |
Posts: 3564 (11/29/0909:23 PM) Forum Site Moderator | Does anyone know in which serial number range the DWM manufactured M95s ceased being antiques? Carl | ||
| HoosierDaddy | #1 | [-] | |
Posts: 5600 (11/29/0910:41 PM) Forum Site Moderator | A through K prefix DWMs are. All Loewe Marked rifles are antique as Loewe was merged into DWM in 1897. Ash Iron Construction Last Edited By:HoosierDaddy11/29/09 10:49 PM. Edited 2 times. | ||
| beanstrung | #2 | [-] | |
Posts: 5777 (11/30/0908:24 AM) Forum Site Moderator | HoosierDaddy wrote: A through K prefix DWMs are. Neil, Do you have a reference source for this? I'm compiling a list of Chilean-95 notes for a 'sticky', and this would be good info to include. -Bean ------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10 | ||
| HoosierDaddy | #3 | [-] | |
Posts: 5601 (11/30/0904:12 PM) Forum Site Moderator | I did a google for it. The info came from James Rawles. Denny Kroh has it copied on his info page at Empire Arms https://www.empirearms.com/pre-1899.htm (Edit: I fixed your link. -Bean) |
Mauser: Small Ring, Big Controversy
By Mike Hudson
Mark Twain once observedthat a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still puttingon its shoes and nowhere is that axiom more true than in the world of firearms,especially since the advent of the Internet. A word then, perhaps, about theinherent “weakness” of small ring, non-98 Mauser actions, including the 91, 93,94, 95 and 96 models manufactured for use by Spain, Argentina, Sweden, Chile,Turkey and many other countries around the world. This non-issue has beenwritten about by illustrious gun scribes and aped by ignoramuses far and widefor decades.
“The steel used by theSpaniards is considered to be soft,” one know-nothing opined on a web pagerecently, perhaps not realizing that all of the true 1893’s were built byMauser, Ludwig Lowe or DWM in Germany. The truth is, while the earlier actionsare indeed not as strong as the rugged M-98, they are plenty strong enough whenused as intended. For years, the Swedish firm of Husqvarna turned out finesporters based on 96 Mauser actions in .30-06 caliber.
Thousands of beautiful customsporters in useful calibers like 7x57mm Mauser, 257 Roberts, 8x57mm Mauser, .35Remington, 9.3x57, 6.5x55 Swedish and the .300 Savage and .250-3000 Savage havebeen turned out using small ring actions, which have a number of advantagessome believe offset the fact that they can’t be chambered for the .458Winchester Magnum.
In truth, the myth about theweakness of the earlier Mauser actions coincided almost perfectly with thefoundation of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute(SAAMI), a private organization established at the behest of the United Statesgovernment. This was in 1926, more than a generation after Mauser began turningout smokeless powder repeating rifles.
Currently, SAAMI dictatesthat ammunition sold in America for most of the calibers mentioned abovegenerate no more than 50,000 psi when fired, a mandate that has led to theunderloading of popular European calibers like the 7x57 and the 8x57, as wellas some American calibers. The .257 Roberts very nearly became extinct becauseof SAAMI pressure standards set arbitrarily and absurdly low due to the largenumbers of small ring Mauser and other surplus actions used as the basis for riflesbuilt for the former wildcat cartridge.
In its original militaryloading, the 7x57mm cartridge produced an average pressure of 50,370 CUP whenfired through the M93 Spanish Mauser rifle, according to J.M. Whittemore’s 1899treatise, Report Of Test of Mauser Arms And Ammunition Relative To PressuresAnd Velocities. Whittemore drew from the work five years earlier of theSpanish ballistician Salvadore Cardenal, whose 1895 report for the Spanishgovernment reached the same conclusions.
However, SAAMI has publisheda Maximum Average Pressure of only 46,000 CUP for this round, which leads tothe possibility that commercial rifles built to SAAMI standards may not bedesigned to withstand the powerful military cartridges intended for the morerobust pre-98 Mauser designs. Qualcast strimmer manual petrol.
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It’s a well known fact thatolder military cartridges loaded for sale in Europe are hotter than theirAmerican counterparts, but it isn’t generally known why. Certainly, theEuropean governments care as much as the Americans about citizens dying fromcatastrophic firearms failures.
Instead of SAAMI, theEuropeans employ C.I.P., the Permanent International Commission for FirearmsTesting. A far more independent organization, the C.I.P. was founded in 1914and does not answer to corporate American or European gunmakers. According to officialC.I.P. guidelines, the 7×57mm case can handle up to 390 MPa (56,564 psi) piezopressure. In C.I.P. regulated countries, every rifle/cartridge combination hasto be proofed at 125% of this maximum C.I.P. pressure to certify for sale toconsumers.
By contrast, SAAMI specifiesa far lower maximum pressure of 46,000 CUP or 51,000 psi. Although this lowerspecification is due to concern about the allegedly weaker actions of the olderMauser 93 and 95 rifles, this anxiety is misplaced, as the original ammunitiondeveloped for, and issued with, the M-93 Spanish Mauser produced an averagepressure of 50,370 CUP in those rifles. Since the Spaniards continued buildingM-93s themselves into the 1950s, continued C.I.P. proof testing would haveuncovered any inherent weakness in the action.
Some might argue that thecentury old steel in original 1891, 1893, 1895 and 1896 Mauser actions issomehow not as strong as it was when first manufactured. In the case of rusted,pitted, dented or otherwise damaged examples, this would indeed be the case. Anyonewho thinks fine steel somehow degenerates in ways not apparent to the naked eyeover a period of time as brief as 100 years would do well to research Japaneseswords turned out on primitive hand forges as early as the 13th and14th centuries. The pristine blades are as strong as they ever were,in many cases stronger than steel blades turned out today using moderntechnology.
I suppose I’m thinking aboutall this today because, on the table in front of me, sits a Spanish M-93action, turned out by Ludwig Lowe of Berlin in 1896. A quarter of an inchshorter and two ounces lighter than the large ring M-98 action, it remains, Ibelieve, the perfect platform for the 7x57mm cartridge, the round for which itwas specifically designed 120 years ago.
I’ve decided to go ahead withthe project, a lightweight sporter in the classic configuration, and have justspent the morning happily ordering a new stock and barrel, an adjustabletrigger and bolt safety, a set of iron sights, scope bases and rings. I know agunsmith near here in the Santa Monica Mountains who can put it all togetherfor me and in a few months I’ll be the proud owner of a custom 7x57 capable oftaking anything I might find out here in the west, from coyotes to elk, so longas I do my part.
One thing is certain. Nomatter what ammunition I use, I’ll be a lot more concerned about my ownstrength and stamina than I will about that of the Mauser action Lowe turnedout 60 years before I was born.
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