[サブテキスト]エイプリルフールの珍情報、翻訳してみました。
前回記事の情報元のページに書き込まれた内容を、僕が仕事で御世話になっている取引先の方に翻訳していただきました。
もちろんその方は事の詳細を知らない人なので、部分的に僕が「超訳」しています。
また原文は主語などが抜けた口語も多く、また英語として意味が通らない部分が多いそうなので、誤訳も含まれると思います。後者については、推測で補ったとのことです。
http://www.msx.org/European-MSXA-website-updated.newspost5056.html
Topic: MSX Revival 昨年、MSX-Associationのヨーロッパ版ウェブサイトは、それが公開された短い時間の間、ちょっとした波紋を巻き起こしました。様々な憶測が情景を彩りました。そして突然、そのヨーロッパ版ウェブサイトは消滅しました。それ以降、情景の中の波乱もまた消滅した少なくともクールダウンしたと言えたでしょう。 And then, like a phoenix, the European MSXA website seems back in action again. This time however, it only contains a few messages in English and Japanese. Perhaps, this action is the result of a few humorous IRC-chats with the person in question in the last few days. 'Humorous' would be an objective description of this log, in which Kay Nishi is said to visit Europe in July while skipping The Netherlands, MSX-Association has a London office with five paid employees, admin Rikusu was sent to a Japanese court and admin wolf_ was going to be fined for 3200 euro for his 'role in Bazix' (while -naturally- also receiving a court order from Japan in the near future). We must emphasize that today is the last day of March, not the first day of April. Some people are clearly ahead of time. Whatever the worth of all this is for anyone to decide, but any hope that something useful will emerge from MSXA-Europe is probably wishful thinking. Relevant link: MSXA - Europe |
By konamiman on March 31 2009, 18:29 Just for information... March 31, 17:19 in Europe (The Netherlands and Spain, at least) = April 1, 0:19 in Japan. |
By wolf_ on March 31 2009, 18:34
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By Huey on March 31 2009, 19:53 Already gone again...... Dunno... did someone think it was funny? @konamiman: IIRC 24th of February is the japanese version of 1st April. |
By Ivan on March 31 2009, 20:17 Yeah funny... at least they could distribute the 1chipMSX (or ESE MSX System 3) in Europe... Quite a bunch of people are angry because the 1chipMSX is out of stock and won't be able to get one |
By hap on March 31 2009, 20:54 The fact that these silly accusations/threats aren't from just a random guy, but from the overseas representative of MSXA ( 塩沢俊平 - Shunpei Shiozawa), is indeed not funny. Ivan: They only plan to exclude Dutch customers. You're Spanish, don't worry. |
By wolf_ on March 31 2009, 21:00 Sometimes it pays do save the website
(edit: version with less gobbledegob) |
By konamiman on March 31 2009, 21:45 Who wrote and published this crap? One can agree or not with the adequateness of Shiozawa for the job assigned to him (in fact, I also find difficult to communicate with him en english), but having a page which contains just insults under a domain name containing the word MSX is not funny at all. |
By hap on March 31 2009, 22:02
What matters more are the threats. Are they serious? Why did MSXA employ this guy, for creating 'fud'? |
By Edwin on March 31 2009, 22:23 Considering what Shiosomething has been writing on irc, this page put it rather mildly. |
By sunrise on March 31 2009, 22:53 I share for 100% the opinion of konamiman |
By SLotman on April 01 2009, 05:22 Why post about it and bring attention to it? Just ignore it, best thing to do! Some things are not worth mentioning... |
By cax on April 01 2009, 16:15 Great way to spoil the 01/04. Bad joke, I would say. |
By spl on April 02 2009, 02:41 (注:ペンギンの顔文字のみ) |
By DemonSeed on April 02 2009, 03:08 Please forgive me if I'm asking 5t00p1d kw35hun5 here, But: * Why was this thread created? * Did the site which is deleted now say something interesting? * Was the issue about relevant work done by someone? * Did the overall message of -the anything- that spawned this thread inspire people? * Was the original message conceived/transmitted by content generating individuals? * If no, was it relevant to anyone? Please try to wisely consider yielding "airing/bandwith" to things/individuals that take their toll but produce nothing. And please correct me if I'm wrong. |
By Grauw on April 02 2009, 16:06 The interesting newsworthy part of this post is “Kay Nishi is said to visit Europe in July while skipping The Netherlands, MSX-Association has a London office with five payed (sic) employees”. The suing of two members of the MSX community could also be newsworthy except that we have no idea what they are being sued/fined for and thus have no way to make any kind of judgement about it. And as wolf_ wrote the news post, being one of the two persons in question, I doubt such details would be given from a neutral point of view anyway. The rest is just MSXA and MRC/Bazix throwing mud at eachother. |
By DemonSeed on April 02 2009, 16:57 Thanks Grauw, for the explanation. I didn't read the newspost thoroughly enough; shame on me. Good luck to the persons being sued. |
By Rikusu on April 02 2009, 17:32 First of all, let me clarify once again that 'MRC/Bazix' has nothing to do with the 'European MSXA' website. Nice of you, Grauw, to talk about mud throwing. As far as I can see, the text on that site has nothing to do with 'MRC/Bazix' whatsoever. That aside, I read the chatlog and I must say I found it rather amusing. I'm still anxiously waiting for that Japanese court order to arrive (wasn't I already being sued last year by the way?). Fact is, of course, that wolf_ has to pay 3200 EUR for his participation in Bazix. He's not a member, so participating should cost him 3200 EUR allright. You know the Bazix bank account number, don't you, wolf_? 私の見た限りでは、そのサイトにあった文章は「MRC/Bazix」と全く関係ありません。それはさておき、チャットログを読ませて頂きました、そしてそれをどちらかというと愉快と感じたと言わせて頂きます。私はいまだに日本の出廷要求の到着を心待ちにしている状態なんですがね(そういえば私は昨年にもう訴えられた筈ではありませんでしたっけ?(注:おそらく、2008年6月に塩沢氏が『Bazixは訴えられた』と話したことへの言及)。事実はもちろん、wolf_はBazix内の関与について3200ユーロを払わなければならないということです。彼はメンバーではありませんので、関与することは彼に3200ユーロの負担を生じさせますそれは問題ありません。wolf_さん、Bazixの銀行口座番号は知ってますよね? Finally, according to my most recent information, MSX Association has ceased to exist already in June 2008. Even if this weren't the case, all rights pertaining to the MSX system have shifted to MSX Licensing Corporation. Nishi is no longer a member of MSX Association, but is a member of MSX Licensing Corporation. Maybe this clears things out a little. |
By hap on April 02 2009, 17:32 Here's the interesting bits. (I'm not gonna paste the personal threats)..Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- <buhi> D4 is defeated because of the trial. <buhi> The court prohibits the management of EGG. <buhi> good luck for Bazix <buhi> Ww have a office in LONDON <buhi> 5 worker <buhi> It doesn't sell to the country that disregards the copyright. <buhi> Dr. nishi going to EU after May <buhi> with me <buhi> aroud JLY 2-5 <buhi> I think Dr. nishi is not interest about any NL Rikusu, FWIW, MSXA == MSXLC |
By Rikusu on April 02 2009, 17:39 MSXLC <> MSXA, hap |
By hap on April 02 2009, 17:45 Believe what you want. Do one thing for me then, could you explain the fact that the rights to MSX have not shifted at all since 1983? (look it up on trademark websites) |
By Rikusu on April 02 2009, 17:51 Okay. To be more exact, the copyrights and trademarks themselves haven't shifted. MSX Association was a representative of the organization that holds the rights. That organization now employs MSX Licensing Corporation as its representative, taking away all authority of MSX Association. I forgot the organization's name and am too lazy to look it up, but let's call it X. The relation X-MSX Association was comparable with MSX Association-Bazix in the past. What has shifted from MSXA to MSXLC is the proxy. Does this clarify? |
By hap on April 02 2009, 18:01 kesken kesken |
By Rikusu on April 02 2009, 18:14 Does that mean 'Aha, I see'? |
| By hap on April 02 2009, 18:43 hap 2009年4月2日 18:43 nah, I stopped, it was a futile discussion いえ違います、私はもう止めました、これは無益な討論でした |
By wolf_ on April 02 2009, 18:54 Fixed the paid/payed thing, which looks to be an archaic bug in my gelly grey CPU. As for the value of the news: formally it's an MSX-website which has been updated. Also it's not just another website, it's the European spot of MSXA (whatever value you give it). Hence: it's being posted about. The update of the website closely followed after a remarkable chatlog in which the representative of MSXA makes several unrealistic and hilarious statements. Whatever is written in the newspost *has* happened, and has been witnessed by several people. You've seen parts of the chatlog, you can see a screenshot of the relevant page. Also, since the subject of the news was a lecturer last year in Den Dolder, about all kinds of new things, I'd say it's fairly important news also. Is it, in a way, entertainment? Sure. Is it boulevard news? Grey area, but I don't think so. (would you consider a politician causing a bit of a sensation in the media to be boulevard news as well?) Is it of any importance towards MSX users? Sure is! Most likely, you don't like the news, perhaps because you had high hopes for anything ESE4 related. |
By SLotman on April 02 2009, 19:36 So, after reading all this... where is that log everyone comments??? |
By wolf_ on April 02 2009, 19:43 Well, essential parts can be read a few posts above. The 'real' log is longer of course, but contains the usual IRC rubbish: joins/quits, ppl continuing in Dutch for a few lines, or just mixing up other topics/jokes etc. etc. The sections you see above are what they are: the essential bits filtered out. |
By sunrise on April 03 2009, 07:52 Is boulevard news . Topic closed (訳注:wolf_氏の「大ニュースではない」を否定し、それを結論と主張している) |
By pitpan on April 03 2009, 11:35 The average MSX user does not care about all this. All we should care about is MSXing The result is clear: we were expecting some fools' day newspost and we just got this no-so-private quarrel among individuals. Would the MSX community benefit from this trademark issue? For sure not. But would it hurt it instead? I doubt it too. For most of us, MSX is just a loved hobby and we pretend to continue like this no matter what happens in the Real World (TM). Just my 5c. |
By DemonSeed on April 03 2009, 11:47 Totally agree with pitpan here. Though I'd like to add that we should protect developers of content from destructive factors. Honest criticism is good for all as it will improve products. What you can see here are negative forces caring for $$$ and not for MSX. Hence: when that world crosses the line to step into "our" world, kick the demons back and defend our "scene". [EDIT] To clarify what I mean: I can only speak for myself, but I'm so very very grateful to those people who continue to develop games and tools, and the people that maintain sites like these, the ones translating games... you name it! If we want to get new, qualitative (usually FREE!) content, we should be honestly critical, always. But we should also not leave them by themselves when they are dishonestly attacked. Because if we do, there may be one day we can forget about new content alltogether. |
By hap on April 03 2009, 14:04 Agreed, our turf is much more important! Still, seriously, buhi is a bully. |
By DemonSeed on April 03 2009, 14:11 Yes, if you want to have fun, ask him about his favorite MSX games. Guess what? He can't tell you. Why not? Because he is not an MSX fan, never was, never will be. MSX seems to look like an easy, virtually untouched source of drillin' for mo' money to people with a certain mindset. The truth can be tough sometimes... |
By Ivan on April 04 2009, 20:06 I've started a forum thread as I need some answers: link |
By Grauw on April 05 2009, 14:47 @Rikusu: isn’t this news post called ‘European MSXA website’ and does the post not mention you and wolf_, aka MRC and/or Bazix? And yes, throwing mud, that is what I call legal threats and public ridiculing . Either way, I was merely responding to people saying this news post isn’t newsworthy, while I think it is, partially. Although it would be nice if it were more fact-focused and worded more neutrally. But given the people involved, it is understandable that it is not. (訳注:wolf_やRikusuは中立的ではないという意味) |
By wolf_ on April 05 2009, 15:25 Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- But it is! The things listed from the chatlog *did* happen, and have been seen (and perhaps logged) by participants of that channel. The reason things look ridiculous is because the person in question has done his utmost best for that. Quote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Had the trials be about.. say.. Fixato and Meits (just two regulars of the channel), then the newspost would've been identical but with different names. But alas, the *cough* Tokyo court orders *cough* are for Rikusu and me. I also happen to be the main newsposter here (almost the only one these days), so yea: for completeness' sake I gotta be mentioned as well, even tho I didn't ask for it. Another newsposter would've done the same. Rikusu was not involved in the actual newspost btw. |
By sander on April 12 2009, 22:02 sander 2009年4月5日 15:25 @hap: 03 Nom du titulaire http://register.boip.int/bmbonline/details/trademark/show.do?markID=37573&markNumber=396134&markNumberType=REG The rights have been transferred worldwide. |
このブログで特に追記コメントするトピックは無いのですが、改めて「Buhi=塩沢俊平太」だという事は強調しておきます。
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